How are the health risks of vaping marijuana?
(Guesstimating) Better than smoking, but as any doctor will tell you, putting anything that isn’t air into your lungs is worse than not putting anything that isn’t air into your lungs.
I say this as someone who both smokes and vapes cannabis.
Man, I dunno about you, but as someone who vaped and smoked weed a couple years back, the vaping was way worse for me. I would get these weird phlegmy coughs that I never got from smoking. I think part of it is that vapes hits feel so weak, so I would end up just power dragging my hits, causing this effect. There were days where I swear my lungs actually felt like they hurt.
Stopped vaping and haven’t had this issue since. Anecdotal, but there you go.
I had the same experience, coughed more too.
Vapor Genie and properly vape flower. 0 side effects.
Data suggest it mainly affects the ability to formulate clear sentences.
Lol!
I don’t quite understand how the science is clear if “there is still no data on the long-term effects of e-cigarettes”.
Anything other than air going in to your lungs is bad. Vaping puts stuff that isn’t air into your lungs. The science is clear on that.
Just how much damage it’s doing isn’t really clear because they’re only becoming really popular now, but it is doing damage.
Cool. The science is in, when are we banning coffee?
I’m be fine with them banning coffee so that’s not the “gotcha!” you think it is. Alcohol too btw. Alcohol especially should be banned tbh.
Coffee isn’t inhaling stuff into your lungs that isn’t air though. I’m assuming you’re saying “caffein = bad”? People aren’t filling their lungs with caffeine from coffee.
Again - science is settled here. If it’s not oxygen it’s bad if it goes into your lungs.
We dont have long term data because e-cigarettes haven’t been used for a long time. They got popular ten years back?
So the science isn’t clear yet. It’s still emerging
You some kind of anti-vaxer?
You would think 10 years would be enough time to see a groups increased risk to associated illnesses. If I made a study group and made them smoke daily for 10 years there would definitely be poorer health. The science is pretty clear, but the WHO doesn’t want to admit that vapes are net neutral, whereas tobacco is bad, so obviously that would make vapes “healthy” in comparison.
Nicotine in the body acts much like caffeine, it increases your blood pressure, giving the effect of a “calmer” feeling, and headaches when in withdrawal. No one is lobbying against coffee/caffeinated drinks, even though it’s understood that too much caffeine can cause health risks. That’s really where we’re at. Alternative methods like nicotine gum or patches have existed for a long time and while there can be dependencies formed on these, no one would dare say nicotine gum is as dangerous as smoking cigarettes. The associated cancer risks from tobacco come from the carcinogens that are created when burning tobacco, not from the nicotine itself
Why do all of these articles always assume all vaping is nicotine-related? It’s exchanging the words “e-cigarette” with “vape”. Seems irresponsible of the author. It’s like writing an article on the dangers of squares and mixing in the word rectangle
Most of these anti smoking articles are written by people who don’t understand smoking devices themselves. Irresponsible for sure.
Oh wow governments don’t follow the science
All advertising for all tobacco products should be banned, including of course the product placement bullshit.
Other than that, and age restrictions, people should have the right to consume it. They should not have the right to force other people to consume it, as in secondhand smoke.
Same with other addictive and/or harmful products.
All advertising for all tobacco products should be banned, including of course the product placement bullshit.
Same with other addictive and/or harmful products.
Is advertising for addictive and/or harmful products really that much worse than advertising for products in general? Think about it.
(You might be predisposed to read the above as a defense of advertising, but it’s quite the opposite.)
I think so. Every time is see someone smoke on TV I instantly want one. I imagine it’s very similar for people with gambling addiction.
Really you shouldn’t be allowed to sell anything that is physically addictive. The consumer isn’t choosing to buy it, they are compelled to.
How about candy advertisements? Soda? Coffee? Anything with sugar in it?
I mean yes. It’s addictive and bad for your health.
Like alcohol and cigarettes, just because it’s considered normal doesn’t mean it should get an exception.
I think grue is trying to make you think just one step further:
ALL advertising is bad. It’s something we just started accepting as being nearly everwhere in society, but it’s ALL bad. It uses an immoral, bastardization of psychology and sociology to force messages on a populace designed to make them buy and consume more shit they don’t need.
They pollute our streets, our buildings, our sky’s. They flood our airwaves, our internet, even new technology like phones and TV’s will have them hard baked in. Ads showing people with happy, full, contented lives that you could have too if only you bought this shiny product!
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I appreciate your “aww shucks, kids gonna be kids” worldview; however, the data is clear, we have dramatically reduced the rate at which young people smoke cigarettes by instituting rules and guidelines concerning advertising targeting adolescents. Further, we have clear data showing that level of education greatly effects the likelihood of an individual using tobacco.
So with all due respect, this is something we can easily tackle. We know for certain the adolescents respond readily to marketing, and we therefore can control tobacco adoption by reducing said marketing to their demographic. This isn’t anywhere near as futile as you’re making it out to be.
Having worked with my government for school dental programs, I’ve met my fair share of students age 12 to 17 who smoke because their parents do. You’re right that marketing is a huge part of it, but I wanted to share the parents’ responsibility also.
I vape. I hate it, but its probably better than cigs
I vape and I love it and it’s definitely better than cigs. Nicotine on its own is no more harmful than caffeine and is incredibly useful at treating my adhd and depression symptoms. I smoked for 8 years and now have been vaping for ten. While I smoked I felt like shit all the time. Since switching to vaping I haven’t had a single negative side effect. I make my own juice, it’s unflavored. It’s literally just nicotine, propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin, which basically makes it an asthma inhaler but for nicotine instead of asthma drugs. I never plan to quit because I buy the ingredients in bulk and it only costs me like $40 a year for me and my girlfriend. There is no downside. Yes I’m addicted but so are many people to coffee. I see no downside at all.
I see no downside at all.
Apart from the health risks, of course…
The whole point is that the health risks of vaping are negligible. I’ve vaped for ten years with no side effects. I vapid through having covid twice and recovered fine. Find me one study with real reproducible health risks to vaping, I’ll wait.
I mean I just have to provide two anecdotes to disprove your one anecdote.
Or just a single study?
Why would I google that for you when I can just tell you a couple of stories about people who vaped and got sick?
Don’t worry, I’ve provided him with a study so we’ll see if he responds. Here it is again for him to see:
Didn’t read it did you? Those were all those cases in the news and have never been linked to nicotine only vapes. It was from sketchy companies using subpar ingredients.
The most common brand associated with EVALI is Dank Vape, a brand of products containing THC, the principal psychoactive ingredient in marijuana. Exclusively using products with THC increases risk for EVALI. (It’s unclear whether people who used nicotine-only vapes also were exposed to vape products with THC, or whether other ingredients caused the lung injury.) Vitamin E acetate is strongly associated with EVALI. It is found largely in counterfeit brands (and recently in Juul products from South Korea). Vitamin E is a supplement considered safe when ingested or applied to the skin. Vitamin E acetate is an oil derivative used in vaping products as a thickener. It is found in about half of the products associated with EVALI. A recent small study found vitamin E deposits in the lung tissue of EVALI patients.
How does one get started intelligently on this? I’m using disposable and would love to cut waste and expenses but I really like the draw of the disposable. I don’t care about blowing clouds. I want some restriction to the drag and would love to mix my own vape. I’ve thrown away over $500 of vapes trying to figure out how to get something that just works. I hate all the parts and settings with the ones I’ve gotten. With the disposable I can pick them up and vape. I don’t have to worry about what the wattage or other bs is. Is their an effective option for someone that’s not a vape snob? I just want the miller lite of vape solutions and while saving money would be great I already spend significantly less than I did on cigarettes, I mostly hate myself for all the battery and plastic waste I’m creating.
My girlfriend and I both use the little nord handheld vapes. Nord 5 or nord 50 watt is a good place to start. They’re cheap enough to replace if they get broken or lost and they get the job done. Then you just need the juice. You can use any flavored juice from a vape store, or just go online and look for bulk nicotine juice, sometimes putting ‘DIY’ in the search can help. I got a liter for $80 recently, but prices have been rising in canada due to new restrictions. Still waaaayyyy cheaper than paying $30 for 30ml though. Then you replace the coil in the cartridge every couple weeks or when it starts to get burnt. The nice thing about the unflavored juice is no sugar or additives so it doesn’t clog up the coil as fast. Super simple to use and not one of those big metal monster machines that people use to blow clouds. Fits nice in a pocket or purse.
Thank you very much for the detailed response, having a place to start makes it feel a lot more approachable.
If we ban vaping, we should ban cigarettes, cigars, chew, alcohol, and weed as well.
All have a negative effect on your health.
Strongly agree. We’ve already learned that prohibition doesn’t work and that people will always find other ways to get their fix.
If flavored vapes are “marketed to children”, what about flavored THC edibles and fruity/candy flavored alcohol? What about energy drinks and highly caffeinated sodas? What about high calorie ultra-palatable foods with absurd quantities of high fructose corn syrup? How is nicotine so different from any of the other drugs that society has decided are socially acceptable?
Humanity has had a relationship with mind altering substances since the dawn of time. It’s ingrained in our cultures, and may even be partially responsible for how human intelligence has adapted to where it is today. Nobody is going to overwrite thousands of years of history by banning vapes. People will just find some other way to access nicotine and other substances, probably by switching back to smoking or chewing. A brief ten-year interval of pushback against smoking in select countries didn’t mean that people no longer wanted nicotine, it just meant that people wanted a less objectionable way of consuming it than burning leaves in paper.
Guess we should ban sugar too.
Don’t forget banning excess eating, red meat, sugar, and staying up too late. Let us work together to create our utopia of perfect, boring humans who are peak physical specimen, exactly the way we want them to be.
Who cares it’s my health not yours. Life is pretty shit. Everything cost to much, forced into servitude by a system I have very little control over. Why would I want more life?
“It beats smoking” is a low fucking bar.
The science is that putting shit in your lungs is not great. There’s no upside for non-smokers. It’s a lark. The only truly positive side is that it’s objectively better than inhaling smoke, and that only matters if it’s a tobacco alternative - and contains nicotine. Which let this low-impact delivery mechanism create new addicts.
Two decades in either direction and the calculus would be trivial. 1990, the way people smoked back then? We’d solve the epidemic overnight. Trade it for vaping in a heartbeat. 2030, the way statistics were headed? Pointless and inexcusable. A brief fad that would linger in countries with hookah culture.
Instead, the worst-case scenario happened immediately. The same murderous liars made money hooking a new generation with a fairly unsafe and hideously addictive chemical. Like they’d previously done by adding filters, and then menthol, and then cloves.
Smoking kills 8 million people worldwide every year. I think it’s worth pushing the alternatives.
Maybe I read it wrong but what I got from it is this:
Vaping is good as an alternative to non-smokers. The problem is that it’s being pushed to non-smokers. It’s not as bad as smoking, but the best is neither.
nah he just hates others who choose to do thinga they dont like
The problem isn’t pushing it as an alternative to already active smokers, that’s what it was initially touted as…
The problem is it became the new smoking fad. People who never smoked are taking this up, and are now the new generation of hungry addicts to keep the tobacco corps alive and well.
An adult should be able to do whatever the fuck they want, as long as it doesn’t impact other people. Vaping doesn’t emit any carcinogens or toxic substances, and 10 times less nicotine than smoking does. At the end of the day, vaping does far less harm than smoking, and it’s easier to reduce the amount of nicotine consumed with vaping. Nicotine also has health benefits, such as slowing down the onset of Parkinson’s.
If teenagers are vaping then that’s an enforcement issue, but at the same time I would be less worried if I found a vape in my kid’s bedroom than a packet of cigarettes. Teenagers will experiement with substances. Nicotne vapes are way down the list of ones I would be worried about.
That is patently false, and even if nicotine were healthy, it should be someone’s choice to inhale it, not forced on them by others with low self-control and no sense of courtesy.
I’m personally all for banning smoking in public places (besides designated areas and specialty clubs). I agree that exposing people to secondhand smoke is rude at best and a health risk for them at worst. But I do think that especially in the comfort of your own home, you can do what you want (with the caveat that if vaping has similar odor issues as smoking, I see it entirely reasonable that renters can be required to smoke outside).
Which bit is false?
From the first link:
The key finding of this study is that e-cigarettes emit significant amounts of nicotine but do not emit significant amounts of CO and VOCs. We also found that the level of secondhand exposure to nicotine depends on the e-cigarette brand. However, the emissions of nicotine from e-cigarettes were significantly lower than those of tobacco cigarettes.
In a scientific context “significantly less” essentially means “we were able to prove beyond our error threshold that there was less nicotine”
As such, it doesn’t mean squat without numbers to back it up. There could be 1% less nicotine and it’d still be significant if their testing method was sensitive enough to reliably capture the difference.
Whereas this:
There’s evidence that nonsmokers exposed to secondhand vape aerosol absorb similar levels of nicotine as people exposed to secondhand cigarette smoke.
Along with nicotine, nonvapers are also exposed to ultrafine particles from secondhand vape aerosol, which may increase the risk of cardiovascular disease.
Would mean exactly what the person you’re replying to has said it means, assuming it’s true, aka. It’s patently false to say it’s safer for non-smokers to be around.
There are numbers to back it up, in the study I linked. Is 10 times less not significant?
The primary harm from cigarettes doesn’t come from the nicotine, it comes from all the other toxic chemicals released by combustion, which aren’t present in the aerosol exhaled from a vape.
Nobody is claiming it to be 100% safe (what is?), but it’s not even in the same ballpark of harm as smoking is.
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half the people here 👆 we get it you dont smoke. that means this aint your place to discuss something you are ignorant about
Then don’t smoke or vape. No one is forcing you to. Please do not be a pearl clutcher and make decisions for everyone else around you. You’re not God and even GOD gave people the choice to believe in him.
Okay but the only way we can not smoke or vape is for allayall smokers and vapers not to smoke or vape in places where the rest of us breathe. I can’t even go out on my balcony for several of the otherwise most pleasant hours because there’s a guy smoking cigars in the courtyard of the next building and the stench is nauseating. And there’s always a smell of vaping in the hallway of my own building, despite it being open to the outside air at one end. Y’all are so anosmic you have no idea how far your vapor and smoke spreads.
All smells need to be banned. Got it.
You really wanna police what other people put in their body? How exactly does it affect you?
Addiction has societal impact. Reality exists outside the individual.
Not all addiction is negative
second and third-hand smoke and vaping aerosols contain harmful, toxic and cancer-causing chemicals that can be breathed in.
Then don’t stand near them?
You’re why enforced civility is a fucking nightmare to deal with.
‘This doesn’t affect you!’ It does. ‘Well make it don’t.’
That doesn’t invalidate my point. Yes, if someone is vaping somewhere inappropriate, that’s not right. But if they are outside, that’s really fucked that you think you get to dictate what other people do outside. It’s their world too.
People should be properly informed about what they put in their bodies.
Edit: Just realised I posted in an American politics instance. Ignore the foreigner.
Sure, I can agree with that. Maybe we should start with the food industry first. Did you know there’s an acceptable amount of sawdust to put in some types of food as filler? It really is horrific. Vaping at least is something people realize is probably not great for you in the long run… but people who falls for the shitty quality of food standards don’t know what they are putting in their body either.
Tobacco lobby
