I don’t understand how Lemmy.world developers managed to surpass both Lemmy.ml and Beehaw.org instances in user activity.
Why did I create a Lemmy world account as opposed to beehaw or ml? Because it’s the first one I saw. Because it doesn’t matter. Because I don’t know what ml stands for. Because Lenny world said “general use.” Because I didn’t have to fill out an application. Because I can still interact with everything else, and again, it doesn’t matter.
The developer for RIF told me to come here. I figured that I should trust the person that created the app that I’ve used for hundreds of hours.
Lemmy.ml had a pinned post asking new people to go elsewhere while beehaw was denying “membership” to their little bubble. lemmy.world was welcoming everyone with open arms.
Same here!
Regardless of the how, I think it’s really cool that the top instance isn’t run by the devs. Really shows off the power and appeal of decentralized services.
As someone signing up for lemmy.world, my reasons were:
- It sounds official or at least less obscure than “.ml” or “sh.itjust.works”
- It sounded inclusive (we’re all part of the world, so to speak)
- It was in the list of default instances of Connect for Lemmy
Otherwise, I didn’t give much though to which instance to pick.
Someone posted it, maybe in r/piracy, and I signed up. Didn’t give any thought to which instance I was signing up for because I didn’t understand the fediverse well enough yet lol.
Same - sounds better, like .com vs .io and similar.
Someone posted it, maybe in r/piracy, and I signed up. Didn’t give any thought to which instance I was signing up for because I didn’t understand the fediverse well enough yet lol.
Someone posted it, maybe in r/piracy, and I signed up. Didn’t give any thought to which instance I was signing up for because I didn’t understand the fediverse well enough yet lol.
Someone posted it, maybe in r/piracy, and I signed up. Didn’t give any thought to which instance I was signing up for because I didn’t understand the fediverse well enough yet lol.
Beehaw seems to have already developed a plan to put everyone they do not like into predefined boxes so they can call those boxes bad and exclude them. Today they were discussing banning “pedantic” users - people asking questions in bad faith, in their opinion. This kind of subjective moderation is what is wrong with reddit. Beehaw is not even federated, last time I checked. You have to fill out a literal application to join. This is not new-user friendly. So that’s how I ended up here.
Does any of that make you think it’s SUPPOSED to be new user friendly?
They don’t have to be. They also don’t have to be federated.
Have people not learned anything from their reddit experience? Beehaw is extremely massive fed flags. Its literally the same exact toxic behavior that the uber mods that hoarded subreddits and got off from power would have.
Its not a good look and im shocked people support it…
Imagine getting tribalistic over a site which can have infinite clones and everyone can get the experience(s) they want.
The existence of Beehaw has no material impact on you whatsoever.
I didin’t get tribalistic. I just said I don’t understand. Maybe I missed the memo that said criticism and confusion is not allowed?
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How about you fucking relax? I was simply stating my criticsm and explaining that I don’t get it. I didin’t police anyone, I didint insult anyone, I just said from my point of view it makes no sense. Yet you handle a small criticsm with the social skills of a tantruming child…
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Have you tried gardening? Really helps me when I’m struggling to centre myself. You should see my hostas. They’re thriving. T H R I V I N G.
Have you tried gardening? Really helps me when I’m struggling to centre myself. You should see my hostas. They’re thriving. T H R I V I N G.
Have you tried gardening? Really helps me when I’m struggling to centre myself. You should see my hostas. They’re thriving. T H R I V I N G.
I agree with you, but jeez man. Take it down a few notches.
If you’re having a bad day, I really hope it gets better.
Why the fuck do people equate being vehement with a fucking “bad day.” Maybe I’m just not a wallpaper paste motherfucker and have stronger opinions than your average wankbag.
I’m EXTRA STRENGTH WANKBAG.
Lemmy.ml had sign ups closed. Behaw required a short story or something to get accepted. Lemmy.world was accepting sign-ups wasn’t hosted somewhere shady and had active communities. It was a pretty easy choice. Assuming the admins have a pledge drive or something to host on AWS/GCP so we can get better burst capabilities I’d love to donate.
Donations to keep the lemmy.world instance up-and-running can be made through:
https://opencollective.com/mastodonworld or https://patreon.com/mastodonworld
@ruud does good work, and he’s a HELL of a good admin. I’d recommend that we all contribute in order to have a place to gather. I’ve been looking at the various solutions to the Reddit conundrum and, personally, I think that lemmy.world is our best bet at this point…
EDIT: I have no affiliation; I just think that we should pay it back however we can. It costs money to run servers and, even if we just “buy him a coffee,” every little bit helps IMO.
@Ruud has been great and Lemmy.world has very transparent so I will throw some cash their way. The mastodon.world blog is transparent with costs and financials which I appreciate.
I would love to see if they have a roadmap of how they plan to address the current surge of traffic or if they plan to just wait it out with their current VPS.
@Ruud has been great and Lemmy.world has very transparent so I will throw some cash their way. The mastodon.world blog is transparent with costs and financials which I appreciate.
I would love to see if they have a roadmap of how they plan to address the current surge of traffic or if they plan to just wait it out with their current VPS.
Lemmy.ml actively asked people to sign up elsewhere. They have a small server and aren’t meant to be a general instance.
Lemmy.world is run by people who have one of the larger Mastodon servers, and actively advertises to be open and neutral.
It’s also the devs server and they have Lemmy code to write. Can’t be spending time moderating.
And the other stuff
It’s also presented as the default on most apps, I believe
That’s a big one. People tend to go with the default
That’s why the apps on the official stores are so important. Convenience wins.
Rule of the defaults. Most people use whatever the default is. That’s why there is always a push to he the default thing. Microsoft pushes edge on their stuff, Google pushes chrome, apps pushes safari, etc.
That’s also why Google pays Apple $20 billion annually to be Safari’s default search engine. Most people can’t be bothered to change their defaults/don’t want to after having it as their default for so long.
That’s a problem that will reveal itself later. Decentralization goes away when everyone flocks to one server. Turns into Reddit 2.0
I’m not sure whether the issues plaguing Reddit really apply to lemmy, even with a single instance being disproportionately larger than the others, which makes “Reddit 2.0” a bit less derogatory to me. Reddit’s moderator tools were severely lacking for the required output (federation helps diffuse communities, and lemmy doesn’t encourage bots to swarm in order to increase apparent user numbers for investor satisfaction), every big anti-hate decision required a media spectacle to precede it (admins here aren’t free speech absolutists with authoritarian hard-ons), and staff retention at Reddit is an odd loop of promotion into managerial obsolescence which severely increases overhead (irrelevant to lemmy). Reddit 2.0 wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world to me.
This is the correct answer. The devs have been saying this for years but new users often weren’t aware of this and saw it as the default instance. It’s good to see that’s changed.
Not to mention that signups on .ml is closed so you can’t join anyway
They’re not neutral though. They’ve already started defederating instances with users whose opinions they don’t like.
Well I said they advertise, not that they are.
For me honestly mostly the name. World. Seems like a default instance to me. What does ml even mean?
I joined world before I knew what an instance was. When the RIF app shut down, the developer recommended lemmy.world. I honestly, thought it was a single website.
Happens when you are one of the few allowing signups while others are blocking them.
.world is a catchy top-level domain
It’s true. Before I migrated to lemmy.ca, I first subscribed to lemmy.world thinking it was the “official” instance.
Is there an easy way to move my account over without just making a new account and just manually reaubbing to everything?
Not right now but AFAIK that is in the works
They were also running on a beefier server. On my first week I tried several instances, but lemmy.world was the most consistently up that was also in jerboa.
it’s fitting too since Lemmy is soon gonna take over the world
RIF specifically directed me here. I didn’t join one before that because I didn’t know which one was “best”. I honestly don’t care which one I joined, I just wanted to be on the one everyone else is on. I know this mindset somewhat defeats part is the purpose of the federated communities. I don’t care about that in the slightest I just want a clone of Reddit.
Also “world” sounds more generic/standard than ml. Most people probably think it’s a military website or something.
You’ll probably find 90%+ of casuals are in the same boat as me.
Casual here, and had the exact same situation lol.
Same, though ML made me think “Machine Learning”, and that it was a more tech-focused place. This was before I realised they they’re all (broadly) the same, and assumed that they were groupings of similar topics like an old web-ring.
Hell I thought it meant Marxist Leninist
I’m pretty sure it actually does stand for that in lemmy.ml’s case at least.
LoL! That is an unusual guess, I don’t think I have heard of “Marxist Leninists” in popular media in a while!
The Lemmy devs are tankies. That’s exactly what it stands for
Ditto
Idk about other people, but I don’t really know how the instances work and the lemmy.world instance name seems the least abstract. Beehaw was confusing because it’s not called lemmy so idk if it’s a different thing or what, and idk what .ml means or stands for. Lemmy.world just looks like it’s the default lemmy instance to me as a dunce who doesn’t know how lemmy works.
Well put! I’m still very confused about “instances,” and the way people talk about them makes it seem like you need to sign up for each one? But that can’t be right, that would be way too confusing! Right? Lol.
Lemmy.world also seems like the best place to ask questions. Everyone I’ve encountered has been very helpful, and I see a lot of people talking about how positive the community is. So I’m trying to just sit back and enjoy the ride!
Imagine phone companies. An instance is like Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile or any other provider.
If you want to talk to your friends, it doesn’t really matter what instance they’re on.
A Verizon customer can still call a AT&T customer no problem. A Verizon customer doesn’t need to also sign up for AT&T to do that. It all just… works.People talking about different instances is like people talking about different phone companies. “Verizon’s coverage is better” or “T-Mobile has better support” or that kinda thing.
All the analogies to mobile providers reminds me of the time when they’re was no interoperability for mms. Sms iirc worked but you better have the same company as a friend if you wanted to send that grainy vga photo you just took with your fancy new razr.
I signed up on lemmy.ca yet you signed up on lemmy.world. We can interact though.
This community we are interacting on is in lemmy.world’s instance but since our two instances are federated (work together like many others) we can interact in general and through any community in our instances or other instances that are federated with ours.
And are usernames unique across instances or can anyone copy anyone else’s username by signing up somewhere else with the same name or just making a new instance?
Usernames are only unique within servers, just like with email addresses. there’s only one john@gmail.com but john@yahoo.com is a different person
Yes! I have the same exact question.
Fellow Dunce here, exact same thought process for me.
Not sure what’s a dunce, but I guess I’m one too as I concur
Similar for me – but add onto it, when I joined, lemmy.world was the only one of the top 3 most populated instances (with lemmy.ml and beehaw) that had open registration
Idk about other people, but I don’t really know how the instances work and the lemmy.world instance name seems the least abstract. Beehaw was confusing because it’s not called lemmy so idk if it’s a different thing or what, and idk what .ml means or stands for. Lemmy.world just looks like it’s the default lemmy instance to me as a dunce who doesn’t know how lemmy works.
I think you nailed it. It comes down to usability and user experience. Migrating from Reddit and not knowing shit about fuck, I obviously choose the largest sounding instance (.world). I still haven’t understood the whole thing yet, but the novelty is exciting and I’m willing to learn. Mass adoption needs a more streamlined experience though.
Signups were also open and easier on Lemmy.world
Honestly going for the ‘largest’ instance is kind of
dumbnaive. Smaller, faster instances provide a much better experience. Bigger is not better in the fediverse.The whole point is to decentralise power away from a single instance, CEO or monopoly. If you’re on a small instance you can still see all the content you want from all the other instances and you might even get a meaningful say in how your experience develops.
We don’t want to build another Reddit we want to build an alternative that is better structured.
Honestly going for the ‘largest’ instance is kind of dumb. Smaller, faster instances provide a much better experience. Bigger is not better in the fediverse.
Ok, but how is a new user supposed to know that?
Sorry ‘dumb’ might have been a bit harsh.
Then there should be a single unified sign up page that sends you to a random instance or something. You still need an easy onboarding process for less technical people
I don’t know, I kind of like that it’s something new to get your head around. It’s a pretty fundamentally different type of internet than what we have now. It reminds me of what it was like back in dial up days.
Is it really that dumb though? Small instances might provide a better experience until they close down.
But small instances are very low cost to run, so much so that a few donations from their users is usually enough to cover the costs and upkeep.
I signed up on lemmy.ca but their sublemmys aren’t as populated as here. Plus jerboa let’s me pick different instances.
I too do not know shit about fuck.
LOL Reminds me of how Chlamydia sounds like a beautiful name for a baby girl.
Ya it has a great domain name and didn’t require an email when I signed up at least. I’m thinking about spinning up my own instance on AWS though since the lag and “bad gateway” stuff is annoying.
