Jokes on them. Facebook in Australia is an absolute cesspool.

And nobody from Facebook is doing anything with the reports

So, the only application for this data is to build a bot which acts like an asshole and make photos of cars which assholes own.

Yeah. Last thing I want is to deal with all the anti-environment, anti-EV pro-extremist right wing toxic-macho shit bots.

Quality, not quantity. With too many people, moderation begins to fail

That doesn’t mean she supports it. There’s evidence that even with Biden there were things potentially happening in the background to try to stop it. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-03/israel-accepts-joe-bidens-gaza-ceasefire-proposal/103926614

Trump literally asked Russia publicly to find dirt on Hillary to win and praises dictators constantly.Kamala isn’t praising dictators.

If Trump went to court for every crime he committed, he would have no time to campaign. In fact, with lawsuits they likely have to compress them and limit the contents to the worst offenders to facilitate their processing time.

You haven’t heard even a small number of crimes that Mafia don has committed. But a guy who goes and laughs on social media when one of his followers attacked pelosis husband obviously supports assault.

So just to clarify, Trump = actual criminal who uses violence to gain power Kamala = normal person

You’re also assuming that Trump will end the war. He won’t. He’ll do what he normally does and just shout at both parties. If he gets forced out of office, he’ll sabotage the next president

Walz in particular is ex military and I seriously doubt he is pro war either. There might be stuff happening in the background again we don’t know about (Trump will brag in public about every single thing he does, but sometimes negotiations require the opposite). It’s similar to criminal investigations which take a long time

I keep seeing the same bozos say they’re the same

One is literally a criminal rapist who has made tens of thousands of public lies, doesn’t pay contractors, and said obvious non sensensical stuff during covid leading to mass deaths and whose own ex staff warns he is an asshole.

The other is a normal person you could probably eat lunch with. She’s absolutely normal.

https://www.sir.advancedleadership.harvard.edu/articles/who-was-responsible-for-january-6th

Yep, how about from Harvard law school. It was incitement, and lots of people were injured. YES, he’s dangerous.

He doesn’t need to hold a knife to be dangerous. Many dictators and mob bosses work using threats and lackies to do their work.

And I’ve been threatened at least 3x in my life.

• Twice was "don’t you ever XXXX ever again, or else… " << Yes, thats a threat…
• The third time was a angry boyfriend (meth head) telling my long term ex (who I hadn’t seen in ages anyway), that he knew where I lived. I once found a fence post nailed to the tree outside my house, and I suspect it was him

I also intervened when a junkie held up a pipe threatening to hit someone in a road rage incident.

In all 4 of these cases, people like yourself will claim that they weren’t dangerous simply because they don’t directly say they’re going to harm the other person. But they were obviously intended to have life-threatening undertones which any reasonable person would back down from. No, it’s threats and intimidation.

Trump regularly highlights judges families and such, and it has the same intention

Again, he has absolutely been upfront that next election he’s trying to change things to extend his term and become a dictator, and he will only extend power to people who follow him.

Mob bosses will always be careful what they say. Even if you watch him speak, it feels like he’s an actor in the untouchables

You forgot a bunch of things…

• He’s creating a culture of fear. He’s putting the families of people in danger by mentioning them, and verbally attacking them, knowing his followers will go after them including the families of judges. This is what criminals and fascists do… People don’t fight Putin because they know they’ll end up in prison or get attacked. Same thing here.
• Even when Trump got shot, it became immediately clear that he was hoping it would result in shootings on his side.
• He will very likely free the J6 guys.
• He is already aligning himself with people who can protect him like the proud boys. They know that if they follow him, he’ll protect them, and vice versa
• He has provided confidential information to people without clearance. One of Australia’s Bilionaires confirmed that.
• He has promised to close down various justice departments
• He has dropped numerous statements that he wants to extend the term a president can be voted in for… MANY MANY times.
• He’s once again calling the election a sham.
• He will put his friends in positions of power (again).
• Once again, HIS OWN STAFF AND OTHER LEADERS HAVE WARNED HE IS DANGEROUS.
• We have NO idea what is happening in the background either.
• It doesn’t matter how powerful he is… HE WILL go to jail. He has threatened and pissed off enough people at this point

I live here in Australia, and knew very little of president trump.

I LITERALLY saw 10mins of Trump on TV months before the election, and my first reaction by the way he was speaking was “he’s going to overthrow the election”. It took a foreigner like me 10mins to realise that shit…

If you watch his speeches now, his language again, is the same as what facscists use. He uses words like calling everyone crooked, etc, WITHOUT EVIDENCE. He calls the election a sham. Why do you think he’s saying this?

What’s disturbing is the number of people that is willing to say “oh, he’s a populist” or “he’s joking” when he makes statements. Yeah… He was joking about the last election being a sham…

I’ll tell you EXACTLY what I saw. I saw without context a guy trying to overthrow an election.

What I see now is a guy who has every intention to extend his term beyond the maximum and interfere with the next election to delay jail.

I’m Australian, and it’s not overblown

He’s already acknowledging he plans to go full dictatorship. He’s already starting with the “crooked, leftist” stuff.

What he’s saying and doing are literally parts of the dictator handbook and if he wins, there are severe consequences worldwide (a return to bigotry and empowerment of bullies)

The difference this time over last time is that losing the election ruins the rest of his life, so he has everything to gain by sowing chaos. If he can delay the count even, it’s hugely beneficial for him.

You have politicians internationally, his ex staff, ex Australian pm and even a right wing ex attorney general from Australia warning of how dangerous he is.

Russia gains through his win too because if he wins, then Trump will stop helping Ukraine most likely, which is possibly why we’re seeing so much manipulation online basically discouraging left wing people voting

You just join another instance like normal.

But having left beehaw recently, I would say I can’t really see any good reasons to leave lemmy world.

I only left beehaw because one admin I felt was overlooking crap people in one specific minority and it was slowly turning into a echo chamber. Ironically, it turns out the crap person in particular coloured my perception of other lemmy servers ages ago to make it seem like other lemmy servers were a cesspool (they are not)

It was also surprisingly unstable compared to lemmy world servers

I haven’t seen any actions by lemmy world admins however which would encourage leaving.

In fact, you can access mostly the same posts from different servers here anyway because servers are mostly federated

Yes, bias is a thing. Ever hear of the placebo effect? It gives people a bias before clicking the link.

In fact, showing rankings actually makes it easier for bots because of that bias, they just randomly click stuff to appear neutral, and upvote their target posts, which when they say +1.4k, you’ll be biased into thinking it’s a popular opinion. Hence why hiding them by default actually maybe has benefits. There are no advantages to seeing the votes other than abuse. Name some.

As you said, they’re already accessible, so there is no point of bloating the code. Let’s not make them even more so and encourage abuse.

What problem is being solved here by doing this?

My implementation would be hide it from the UI by default for instances

Also, never said unranked… I meant simply hide the rankings. Part of the disadvantage of showing the totals on the UI means that high upvotes make it seem like it was highly popular. It also means that people don’t mindlessly upvote posts simply because there were a lot of upvotes. By hiding them, you know its popular, but no how popular. It changes the way people interact so it’s more normal.

Showing Upvotes/downvotes doesn’t show whether they are bots are not. It just means they’ll upvote/downvote more random shit and mess around wit the rest of the posts, so more crap rises to the top because they’re interfering with the rankings.

There are easier ways to identify bots… And, it just aids abusive people. I don’t think it will assist with bots at all… Sorry.

Problem is, it actually encourages a hive mind. I’ve already had 2 people try to bully me.

I’d go one step further. Upvotes down votes and totals should be hidden entirely. This would encourage people to post based on their own without external influence It reduces the incentive to use bots

Already had one person today mention my down votes .

It didn’t validate their argument at all and without context it can be interpreted in any fashion to make it seem malicious

I know it’s a weird take, but some of these people also seem obsessed with their cars, to the point they use it as a fashion accessory and a way to interact with people.

So they know if climate change becomes more popular, they risk people losing interest in their expensive toy, because they can’t rev their engine anymore to assert their “alpha male” status. Reving their engine will actually push people away

I think part of climate change acceptance is finding people other hobbies honestly

I dunno if it does.

A lot of these people go around smashing random rocks to uncover stuff they clearly plan to sell.

To sell them, they’ll likely promote crystal healing and such and anti science, and of course be anti vax

So… Two things…

I have a funny story regarding modding on Lemmy…

Ran into two bad mods the other day (related to the same convo). But, gist of the story is, I got into a discussion with someone who heavily exaggerated and claimed I wanted to kill an entire minority, as I only 80% agreed with them (they were basically demanding government benefits which would cause a huge issue if applied to other communities which was required to be fair , and they couldn’t even set the parameters of the rules for it). A Beehaw admin freely ignored the outrageous comment that the other mod made, and branded me instantly as “starting a fight”.

As I was deleting my Beehaw account, I noticed that same non-beehaw mod had actually been in a thread I had also posted in a month ago which was discussing more conservative people moving to Lemmy (I’m VERY left). They basically said in the discussion they were constantly needing to remove “conservative” and people who were trying to start fights . This was ironic because doing the huge exaggeration thing and calling someone a derogatory name is basically out of the conservative playbook (and they were certainly the only ones fighting), and anywhere else it would be seen as rediculous behavior.

People in that thread though also made it sound like the rest of Lemmy was a cesspool. This colored my opinion of Lemmy and I realised my opinion came from that same thread, so, I didn’t want to leave beehaw, and only took the leap recently.

I was actually hugely surprised by Lemmy World. Everyone is a lot more respectful here than I expected and I think its even a better safe space than beehaw, where . There are a lot more connected instances, so the bad actors get drowned out easier, and it promotes a healthy discussion, where science is encouraged. We might not all agree, but it’s a lot easier to avoid echo chambers. The science memes community is also AWESOME on Lemmy and beats anywhere else imho.

Reddit on the other hand, doesn’t seem to have good moderation (most mods are unpaid and the power hungry ones will try to manage hundreds of communities). It has degraded into people fishing for karma , and has a higher percentage of abusive people who also likely abuse others on facebook (many aussie subs have degraded into far right wing where science is discouraged and people purposely try to push an echo chamber). THere are a lot of good mods here though, and if you don’t like a community, you can block it and find another one… The cool part is that I suspect over time, this will eventually keep mods honest.

The biggest problem is that Reddit SHOULD have acted on FatPeopleHate, the Donald and Female Dating strategy. They didn’t act on jailbait either apparently. Those people established themselves permanently into the community, grew to some of the largest communities and the moment mods left, many of those same communities likely did a power grab too. Reddit staff don’t really care either, and since the people running the servers don’t seemingly care (similar to facebook), it simply encourages them

In my case, I went to the biggest one after leaving beehaw.

I left beehaw because it was clear there was a double standard for one admin between minorities and the rest of us where an admin overlooked someone from a minority acting like a total ass and starting a fight… and blamed me simply because my opinion half agreed with an article that was posted.

Which was such a pity because they other admin there is awesome (and I loved the idea of the instance), but I’m worried it will become a echo chamber eventually unfortunately where you simply can’t discuss things, but only agree with people

Just to play devils advocate though… awesome people and awesome country.

I’ve always wondered if I’d rather live there and be poor honestly than live here in Australia (which is basically at least 50% redneck at this point)

Same guy who called a cave diver a pedo… because the world class cave diver who was risking his life told him how his sub was crap

And he didn’t want to listen to experts

Well. You can start by becoming a cop. .

That’s always the problem. There’s people with strong convictions about being a good cop which is great. But none of them want to actually do the job… So the jobs get taken by shitty people.

You need to start by getting good people to become cops for starters. But yes, better laws. You guys need to start with gun control. Here in Australia, cops know they’ll be going home after they do their job

Are you part of the legal system at all? If not, that’s part of the problem. Real change needs serious people. Are you doing anything to help the community and improve mental health to at least make it safer?

It’s easy to write long complaints about the police, but ultimately, it won’t change anything.

Well. You could become a cop and change the culture

There are shootings constantly in the US though.

Here in Australia, I wanted to join the police but ultimately chose not to due to the bad working hours. In the US, I feel like I wouldn’t feel safe doing so though personally unless gun laws were refined with better gun control like in other countries

Here in Australia they barely even need to carry a gun