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      Which, the “nuclear is evil and any power that isn’t solar, wind, or hydro deserves literal death” circlejerk?

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        The biggest problem with Nuclear Power Plants is their price and the fact that they are centralized. While they might produce a good amount of baseline electricity, their energy is more expensive than solar and wind.

        Obviously solar and wind also have disadvantages like fluctuating production but that could be solved by building battery storage. In another comment line I commented about Aqueous Hybrid Ion Batteries that could be used that way, they are heaavier than other battery types but environmentally friendly and could therefore easily be used in buildings.
        The main advantage of solar combined with batteries is that it will help regular people instead of a huge company. A decentralized energy production would also help in wars or with natural catastrophies.

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          The main advantage of solar combined with batteries is that it will help regular people instead of a huge company. A decentralized energy production would also help in wars or with natural catastrophies.

          Oh, right. The “the only solution is to completely topple capitalism and government and nothing else will do” circlejerk.

          Unless you actually believe solar panels aren’t manufactured, marketed, installed, and maintained primarily by the electric companies, in which case, it’s the “I refuse to do any actual research on my positions” reddit circlejerk, with a dash of the “what do you mean that not everyone can live an off-grid mountain-man life?” circlejerk.

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            You do realize that solar panels are usually installed and maintained by small companies and not multi-billion dollar companies, right?

            That means that it’s more likely for the profits to stay in the local economy.

            It’s quite funny how you assume things about me though and thinking that I I don’t do any research. How about you showing some research?

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              You do realize that solar panels are usually installed and maintained by small companies and not multi-billion dollar companies, right?

              According to whom? You? Every solar panel installed in my county was done by local contractors on the behest of either the electric company or Tesla.

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                In my country it is mostly small local companies installing solar panels. And I think in most of Europe it’s the same.

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                Hi, Swedish here, since the topic is on Sweden, the installment is made by small companies not big electric companies like Vattenfall. We also have subvented solar panels.

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          It only helps regular people as long as nothing breaks.

          You’re still beholden to the huge company that’s making the panels, or the company that’s installing and maintaining them. On property panels are only as decentralized as your personal ability to install maintain and repair them. Off property panels are only as decentralized as the conglomerations that own every solar farm and wind farm.

          You aren’t “getting away from huge companies.” You’re just increasing the minimum footprint and ecological disruption needed to generate the power needed for modern life. Let alone the amount of increase needed if EVs are ever going to have a chance at challenging ICE for majority market share.

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            Solar panels are living quite long lifes. The people installing those panels are, at least in my country, mostly in small companies. You are right anout the production though but there will probably grow more and more manufacturer’s as they don’t need Billions like the Energy Companies that build Nuclear Power Plants.

          • nuclear plants usually have a significant ecological footprint and it only growths stronger with climate change.

            If the rivers they are typically placed at, carry less water, which we can see all over the world to happen, they stress the rivers ecology further and are at risk of needing to be shutdown, or slow cooking the river dead. That in return has consequences for peoples access to usable water, as the intact ecosystem in the water cycle is vital for the quality of water.

            So while the current CO2 emissions might be lowest, which also does not account for the change in energy production for the plants creating solar panels or wind turbines, the local impact is much more severe than that of a solar or wind power plant.

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      I really hoped we wouldn’t be as close minded as on Reddit.

      Nuclear, like anything, has advantages and drawbacks.

      The question is: are those advantages overcoming the drawbacks ? (This is obviously an oversimplification, as there are lots of questions, even nested within this simple one, like “will the advantages overcome the drawbacks for the lifetime of this project?”