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    I’m not sure if this says more about the minimisation of the immorality of slavery or more about how standard modern employment practices are degrading to the point they fit the definition of slavery.

    Either way, it’s not saying good things. Florida needs help badly.

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      Yeah, it’s annoying as fuck. People still think karma has value. Even here.

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        I’m pretty sure that Lemmy was pretty much inhabited by tankies and MAGA. Then, Reddit showed up.

        Now the same bullshit they’ve been circle jerking each other over is getting called out. I enjoy the downvotes. As Lemmy gets more popular, these geniuses are gonna be fun to watch.

        You can only get away with spamming sensational bullshit, conspiracy theories and brigading for so long. The general public thinks they’re fuckin idiots. So, the more people who show up, the better it will get.

        It will help a lot too when lemmygrad folks aren’t modding a bunch of communities.

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              So, basically- according to conservatives, anyone that doesn’t worship capitalism. Got it.

              Learned something new.

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                You either go to a lot of effort in order to misinterpret what’s on that page or you live in a certain country with a certain “great firewall” that has Wikipedia blocked. Which is it?

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                  I searched it out myself. Tankie by Wikipedia’s definition isn’t the same definition used by people nowadays. It’s a derogatory. Similar to how the right redefined “woke”.

                  The whole thing is fucking dumb and polarizing.

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                Hah, no. Definitely not.

                And I’m most certainly not conservative. Tankies in the wiki sense and tankies in the Lemmy sense are not the same. Both are dumb as shit, but different.

                Tankies on Lemmy are a lot closer to less organized and, somehow, even dumber than /r/theDonald.

                Imagine if you will a Trump rally run by junior high school kids. That’s Lemmy tankies

                Edit: also, I’m not the one who replied to you with the wiki link

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                  I didn’t think you were. I was just responding. The point is, I looked it up- and from what I’m seeing- it’s basically a derogatory used to describe anyone that doesn’t support capitalism.

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            A fascist who falsely tells others they are leftist. Other right-wingers would call them “auth-left” but there is no such thing, because leftism is about egalitarian, distributed power & wealth. Being a proponent of consolidated power or wealth makes you right wing.

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              People on the left can hold power same as people on the right, you’re being a reductionist, which is just disinformation frankly at this point

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              That’s not true. Authoritarian leftism is definitely a thing — Soviet communism was extremely authoritarian to the point of totalitarianism. The opposite would be liberal communism, the extreme of which is anarcho-communism.

              Left vs Right and Libertarian vs Authoritarian are two separate axes on a political compass.

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                Whether you realize it or not, you just spread right-wing propaganda. The “political compass” is a lie designed specifically to create a “both sides” narrative out of the abuses of one side and one side only: the right.

                The right is defined by vertical power structures (monarchy, dictatorship, oligarchy, authoritarianism, etc) and the left is defined by distributed horizontal power (democracy, socialism, anarchy, communism, etc).

                There is no “auth left” just as there is no “wet dry” or “true false” - they are incompatible opposites.

                Case in point (and unpopular statement of fact for tankies): Soviet Russia was, at no point whatsoever, communist (or leftist) as defined by Marx (or Lenin). Communism REQUIRES the “withering away of the state” - so if leaders of an ostensible leftist movement seize power, but do not cede it back to the people, they are ordinary right-wing authoritarians.

                So while you are right that Soviet Russia was authoritarian, you missed the point: Soviet Russia was never leftist. Lenin’s revolution failed, and with Stalin’s seizing of power, one rightist state (the Tzardom) was replaced with another (an ordinary dictatorship).

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                  Whether you realize it or not, you just spread right-wing propaganda. The “political compass” is a lie designed specifically to create a “both sides” narrative out of the abuses of one side and one side only: the right.

                  how does it do that?

                  There is no “auth left” just as there is no “wet dry” or “true false” - they are incompatible opposites.

                  any form of government can be either libertarian or authoritarian.

                  Case in point (and unpopular statement of fact for tankies): Soviet Russia was, at no point whatsoever, communist (or leftist) as defined by Marx (or Lenin).

                  that’s a No True Scotsman logical fallacy. Just because a Communist regime fails to uphold the promise of returning the power back to the people doesn’t make it magically not Communist, but it does make it auth-left. Every system is as fallible as the human who run it.

                  edit: also authoritarian ≠ fascist. it’s true that all fascism is authoritarian, but not all authoritarianism is fascism. again, many (not all) communist regimes, a left-wing political ideology, have historically been authoritarian.

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              Isn’t that something conservatives call people they disagree with?

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                American conservatives generally call anybody left of Joe Manchin, “communists”.

                Of course, there are real communists too, and some of them are militant, and that’s what people generally are referring to when they say “tankie”.

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                  Judging people by their preference in economic systems is about as dumb as blind nationalism. I don’t think I’ll ever understand this level of ignorance.