Meloni heads Italy’s most rightwing government since the second world war. Italy’s criminal code punishes with a fine ranging from €1,000 to €5,000 anyone who “publicly defames the republic”, which includes the government, parliament, the courts and the army.

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    how to tell if youre in a facist state:
    the person accusing the facist goes to jail

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          Pretty much. I don’t think people here know what a fascist state really is…

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            Historically, fascists didn’t start off with genocide. First, they got democratically elected…

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                    Right. Your point? That because many governments are doing it, it’s not fascism? Or are you being sarcastic and denying that lgbtq+ (particularly trans people atm) are being targeted?

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      It’s the sign of a civilised state, where you can’t just randomly offend whoever you want a scale, you need to go to court and prove that you actually have proofs about what you’re saying. I applaud this move from the government, the left wings after years of cutting public services to bend to corporativism and ECB, leaving the country in the hands of all sort of migrants without doing anything for security, finally got what they deserve, and now everyone else is a fascist, but with no content

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        Oh, Lemmy has fascists now.

        The left wing was cutting public services, right. Famous left wing policy. I think you’re thinking of liberals.

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          It’s astounding these people still don’t realize how obvious their tells are. Blaming migrants? Almost certainly an insensible right winger.

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          One of the main ‘issues’ with decentralised social media is that it allows the fringes of the political spectrum to have a platform. We’ll have to find a way to get along.

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                It’s part of a process.

                • Step 1. Nazi says nazi things.
                • Step 2. Non nazi reports to instance admin.
                • Step 3. If the nazi is local, the instance admin can choose to ban. If not, the instance admin can choose to ban the user from their own instance and then escalate to the nazi’s instance admin.
                • Step 4. If the nazi’s instance admin takes action, the nazi needs to find a new home, end of story. If not, that means that the nazi’s instance admin is chill with nazi shit.
                • Step 5. The local instance admin can then chose to defederate from an instance that is chill with nazi shit.

                To me this looks like a pretty robust process. What other steps would you add?

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                  Main thing I can think of is an option for non-admin users to block an instance on the client side. Like blocking a community or user except it does both, for everybody from that instance.

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                    That’s already possible in Mastodon, so if Lemmy doesn’t do it already, it should be easy to ask and get implemented.

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          It can’t be that whoever has a different opinion is a fascist, also because I was just having a conversation, it doesn’t make sense, if everyone else is a fascist, the term loses any meaning and it’s hard to fight back the real fascists. Guess another issue with the boom of lemmy is that all the judge juries and executors from twitter are arriving.

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            No you’re just a fascist agreeing with a fascist government. Might as well call yourself what you are.

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                Fascism has an actual definition. People pretending it’s just a vague insult are likely fascists themselves in my experience.

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        Sorry but people who openly admire Mussolini (the original self-proclaimed fascist) are fascists pretty much by definition. Sounds like you may be one of them.

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        If “civilised” means I have to tolerate fascists then I don’t wanna be civilised

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          That’s a fair point, I would agree in general, but those who are often asked to prove what they say are usually people in positions of power or with a huge base, like in this case a singer, not some poor working class. I can’t understand how why you people think that going to court for asserting guilt is fascist…

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              I am not sure I understand what you are saying, it seems a bunch of buzzwords put together in a random way, starting from a civil court trial for defamation up to mafia to supreme court and back, they’re not even the same courts. Sorry I am not interested in juggling, there is a guy who has to prove that what he said has basis and is not defamation, he has money to pay for a lawyer, if you think everyone should be able to offend anyone without effects, be it, i don’t agree

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          Seems like a great community with intelligent people able to sustain a conversation in the making, I’m understanding where twitter folks are moving